On the morning of the 11th, Oyasama began to feel better. She sat up in bed and had Her hair dressed. On the night of the 12th, they were waiting for Shinnosuke to reply. At three o’clock in the morning of the next day they finally received his reply that he would inquire of Oyasama. Thereupon, accompanied by Maegawa and Kajimoto, Shinnosuke inquired of Oyasama about the matter.

Words of Oyasama:

Sah, sah, all things, things about which you ask, if you do not understand I shall tell you. Listen carefully, listen carefully.　Everyone must understand well. It will not do, it will not do. I have told you before. I shall tell you something difficult. Ponder over only the one matter. At this time you must understand what I say about whatever matters.

Further, Shinnosuke replied, “You said, ‘I have told you before.’ Is this about the performance of the Service? There is a problem with the performance of the Service.”

Sah, sah, it may be difficult to do at this time. But difficulties will serve to settle things truly. Long, long, long have been these forty-nine years but you have understood nothing. If you had, there would be nothing difficult.

Shinnosuke replied, “It is difficult to perform the Service because of the civil law. Then:

Sah, sah, such a reply. . . . About the problem with which your reply is concerned, over the past forty-nine years, has not the way of sincerity been shown? Has not the truth been shown? Do you or do you not understand the situation?

Shinnosuke said, “Please give us a directive that will uphold both the directions of God and the laws of the country.”

It should be clear. Reflect on how this path was made step by step from the origin. Sah, sah, what you are going through at this time. . . . Your attempt to find a way to separate matters is wrong. It will not do, it will not do this time. Sah, I say at once, at once, carry out what I have been telling you. Now, now!

Shinnosuke said, “We shall practice for the performance of the Service every night. Please give us an extension until we learn the proper movements for the Service.”

Sah, sah, once you have heard what I say, you must set it firmly in your minds. There are many other paths. Even after considering all matters, you must still follow the one path. Simply to stop is wrong. The path of order, the path of order.

Shinnosuke said, “We wish to build an institute and practice the Service so we shall be able to perform it in accordance with Your direction at this time.”

Since you are unable to set your minds at ease, you say, “discussion, discussion for the time being.” But I say, “Now!” Because I say, “Now,” you must do it now. Time is pressing. Do you understand?

Shinnosuke said, “You say ‘Service, Service’ with great urgency. Through the affliction of Oyasama, are You urging us to determine the Service performers, or to perform the Main Service at any cost?”

Sah, sah, with each of you, to settle the mind is to settle the Service performers. If there are no difficulties, the mind cannot be truly set. It depends on your heart, on your mind. Ask Me until you fully understand. Once I give the order, I shall not rescind it.

Continuing, Shinnosuke said, “You taught us that the souls of the instruments and prototypes of human creation were born at this Residence, that You descended to this Residence because it is the Jiba where the creation of man and the world began, and that the souls of the rulers and our souls are the same. If we are asked about these points, how are we to answer? We do not know. We cannot defy the law.”

Sah , sah, because Tsukihi exists, the world exists. Because the world exists, things exist. Because things exist, your bodies exist. Because your bodies exist, law exists. Although the law exists, to resolve your minds is primary.

Continuing, Shinnosuke said, “As for ourselves, we are ready to comply. But we are worried about the physical condition of Oyasama. If the worst should occur, will You grant Your divine protection?”

Sah, sah, where there is sincerity, you shall receive sincerity. You may not know what My sincerity is. It is My providence —fire, water, and wind.

Further:

Sah, sah, you are to purchase My sincerity. Purchase My sincerity with your own sincerity.